Hello and welcome back to all the small things with me, Vinicula Manor. We have reached the end of season four, which is bittersweet to be honest.

I have absolutely adored making this season and I really hope you've enjoyed listening to it.

If you're new to this show, then there are loads and loads of episodes for you to sink your teeth into.

And if you are old to the show and you've listened to every single episode, I'm very, very grateful.

And do feel free to slide into my DMs at ATST podcast to let me know what you'd like to see from the podcast next.

Today I have my first ever return guest to the show and it is the wonderful Tessa Khan.

Tessa is an international climate change and human rights lawyer, campaigner and strategist.

She is the founder and executive director of climate action organization uplift, who are on a mission to support and energise the movement for a just and fossil fuel free UK.

Tessa spent more than 15 years supporting grassroots, regional and international movements for justice and has served as an expert advisor to UN human rights bodies and national governments around the world.

Since we last spoke, Tessa recorded an unmissable TED talk titled How Can We Escape Soaring Energy Bills?

Stop using fossil fuels, which is a must watch and is linked in the show nights.

Today we're going to be speaking about fossil fuels and climate breakdown and what it means for our collective future.

I have had so many requests to create a YouTube video and record a podcast based around the topic of having children during a climate crisis.

And honestly, I've been so reluctant to speak about this because it is just such a deeply personal, complex and nuanced decision.

What's more, it is often rife with eco-fascism and rooted in eugenics and racism, which is what I mainly wanted to focus on with Tessa, who graciously said that she would be happy to discuss it today and to explain eco-fascism and help debunk the overpopulation myth.

So I'm not sure if this episode will provide you with the answer that you're necessarily looking for because that is your decision to make.

And I know that if you listen to this podcast, you are someone who cares a lot and thinks deeply.

So my hope is that it affirms your want to join the fight against the oil and gas industries and just know that I'm sure that whatever decision you decide to come to is the right decision for you.

So here we have a conversation about eco-fascism, fossil fuels, the energy crisis, big oil's profits, and the vitally important stop rose bank campaign, as well as this question about reproducing in a world that can feel pretty scary.

I really hope you enjoyed this conversation. Yet again, I am so grateful to Tessa for coming back on the podcast and for closing this season.

Here's Tessa Khan on all the small things.

Tessa, welcome back to all the small things. I think you're my first return guest, which is very, very exciting.

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