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🗓️ 30 March 2022
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What do you want to happen to your body when you die? It’s a touchy topic where tradition, religion and death denial all come into play. But across much of the world, there are just two options: burial and cremation, which both have substantial ecological impacts.
In 2019, Washington State passed SB 5001, which legalized several new options for deathcare.
In this episode, host Jeff Emtman visits Return Home, a facility in Auburn, Washington that’s using one of those new options, called “Natural Organic Reduction” (NOR) which is commonly called “human composting”.
Return Home has built the world’s largest NOR facility to date, with 74 available individual vessels. Their process (which they’ve trademarked as “Terramation”) takes about two month to complete, and involves dressing a deceased person in a pressed cotton gown and placing them a bed of organic material, and left to naturally break down using active composting techniques that bring the contents of the vessel to well above 100° Fahrenheit for much of the composting period.
The techniques used by Return Home were largely inspired by Katrina Spade, a death activist and the owner of Recompose, another NOR facility located near Seattle. Spade was one of the people who strongly advocated for the passage of SB 5001.
There’s currently one other NOR facility in Washington State: Herland Forrest in Wahkiacus. Currently two other states, Colorado and Oregon have legalized NOR.
NOR’s future isn’t known. It’s new and still relatively rare. Do enough people want to be composted to have it be a viable business model? Each of these companies have different approaches to their process.
Return Home’s model relies on scale. They wouldn’t disclose the exact cost of building their facility, or how many simultaneous descendants they’d need in their facility to be profitable. As of publishing, they charge $4,950 for their process and they have 15 of their 74 slots occupied.
And in some ways, the full ecological benefits for Return Home’s process also rely on scale. In a follow up email, CEO Micah Truman stated that “We calculate our inputs as follows. Our electricity bill each month is about $1,700, and is sufficient to Terramate 74 bodies. This comes to $22 per body. In current gas terms ($5 a gallon at present) that is roughly 4 gallons of gas, which is about 1/8 the amount of gas used for cremation. The number is actually quite a bit better than that, as our electricity bill also powers our entire facility, not just the Terramation equipment.”
When asked about the relative emptiness of the facility, Katey Houston (Return Home’s Services Manager) said, “The funeral industry is so slow to change. When cremation became a thing, it took sixty years to become mainstream. The fact that we’ve served just over thirty families now in four months, is quite amazing. And we’ve continued to grow month-over-month, and that’s all I can ask for.”
Thank you Hannah Suzanna for help with research for this episode.
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0:00.0 | From six feet overhead, this is Herbie Monsters. |
0:17.0 | So Vincent, would you want to happen to your body after you die? |
0:24.0 | I think, for me, as long as it's like dead in the ground, it's nothing like good enough. |
0:33.0 | What happened to your father's body when he died? |
0:36.0 | It was a burial, traditional one. |
0:40.0 | He wanted to have a ceremony at the church. |
0:44.0 | He wanted a priest to do the ceremony, even if he was not like a huge believer. |
0:49.0 | Was it an open casket or a closed casket? |
0:52.0 | An open one. |
0:54.0 | I didn't understand the necessity of a vit. |
0:57.0 | I understand the necessity of the ceremony, but I don't understand the necessity of looking at the body. |
1:04.0 | Does the idea of body decomposition disturb you? |
1:09.0 | Probably a bit. |
1:11.0 | In some sense, you want to keep a bit of sacred feeling about death, |
1:16.0 | and just thinking about how the body will decompose is not helping, I think. |
1:22.0 | You know, when you say decomposition, I think at least I would think about warmth growing all over my body and eating it. |
1:30.0 | And that's not a thought that sounds really good for me. |
1:36.0 | And maybe it's a question of how do you present that? |
1:39.0 | On the other hand, I think people would like the idea of being incinerated because it's the idea of you come back to ashes. |
1:47.0 | And there's something pure in ashes. |
1:49.0 | That's something that's a bit gory as you would have by picturing worms. |
1:57.0 | Do you remember the day it was in late November? |
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