Welcome to Betrayal Trauma Recovery, BTR.org. I'm Anne. I'm sure you remember what it was like when you were searching for help, maybe for your husband, hoping to find the right program or therapist. That's why I started podcasting. I supported my husband through seven years of pornography addiction recovery and not one therapist during that time told me I was experiencing emotional

and psychological abuse and sexual coercion. I didn't want any other woman on the planet to be in

the dark. If you're like the majority of my listeners, you're experiencing the type of abuse that's

invisible and difficult to wrap your head around. Your husband is using porn or having

affairs or lying to you, and you're getting the same bad advice about how to improve communication

or your relationship. If you need support from women who totally understand, check out our daily

group session schedule at BTR.org slash group. We'd love to see you in a session today. One simple, anonymous way to help spread the word

is to click, follow, or subscribe to the Betrayal Trauma Recovery podcast on your favorite

podcasting app. While you're there, every five-star rating helps make this podcast more visible

and will help save other women from getting the wrong kind of help, like a couple

program that will make this type of abuse worse. For those of you who follow or subscribe to this

podcast, thank you so much. Your support means so much to me. I have Dr. Heidi Hastings and Dr.

Rebecca Lucero Jones on today's episode. Dr. Hastings recently completed her PhD in family studies

with Texas Women's University. Her research was on religious women who are married to men

with compulsive pornography use or other compulsive sexual behaviors. Dr. Lucero Jones is a practicing

marriage and family therapist and a professor of marriage and family therapy at

Texas Women's University. Together, they have researched women who have experienced betrayal,

and I'm so excited for them to share their research with us today. Welcome. Thanks,

Anne. We're really happy to be here. Thank you. We're glad to be here. So in your studies,

you developed the five stages of betrayal and

self-development. Why don't we start there? So we began to be interested in the experience of religious women

when it comes to pornography use for religious men, what's going on with their wives. We recruited women

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