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🗓️ 28 February 2025
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In 2022 the kingdom of Bhutan ordained 144 women in an unprecedented ceremony. Among them was Emma Slade, also known as Lopen Ani Pema Deki, from Kent in the UK. She was the only Western woman to take part. Emma’s faith has been a part of her life since she was held at gunpoint and robbed in Indonesia in 1997. She studied in Bhutan and set up a charity that supports children with special needs in the country. She talks to Julia Paul about life as a bhikshuni in the UK and Bhutan, her memories of taking part in the historic mass ordination and what it means for Buddhist nuns in Bhutan and other countries.
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0:00.0 | In the small Himalayan kingdom of Bhutan, young Buddhist nuns are preparing to meditate. |
0:09.0 | Around a thousand girls and women like these live in nunneries, often in remote areas. |
0:20.0 | But for the first time in centuries, these nuns now have the chance to reach the same level |
0:25.5 | of ordination as Buddhist monks, to be fully ordained as Bikshunis or Gilongma. |
0:33.0 | This is the ultimate goal that every nun must have. |
0:38.6 | But the nuns never had this dream |
0:41.0 | because it was understood that they are not able to and it's not possible. |
0:46.0 | For decades, a debate has raged over whether women in the Vajrayana branch of Buddhism |
0:51.8 | could be fully ordained. |
0:54.3 | But three years ago, Bhutan took the lead |
0:57.2 | and, in an historic ceremony, ordained 144 women. |
1:02.8 | This is the patched cloth that goes with the full ordination. |
1:07.1 | There was this change from the nuns wearing burgundy |
1:10.3 | to wearing this beautiful golden colour |
1:12.5 | and that was quite stunning to see |
1:14.6 | because prior to that time obviously we'd only ever seen monks in Bhutan |
1:17.8 | wearing this colour. |
1:19.9 | And British Buddhist Emma Slade was among them. |
1:33.2 | I'm Julia Paul and this is the documentary from the BBC World Service. |
1:38.0 | For this episode of Heart and Soul, which explores stories of spirituality, |
1:43.2 | I'm talking to Emma about being a Buddhist in the UK and Bhutan, |
1:47.7 | her part in the historic ceremony, and what it's been like to break the glass ceiling in Buddhism. |
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