A single theme is to narrow for great minds and daring hearts, get ready to enter the Lionheart, with your host, Lauren's Dunning.

Hello and welcome back to another episode of End of the Lionheart.

A few weeks ago I had a really nice conversation with Hector Santa Bastien, on his fantastic modern masculinity podcast.

This week he returns the favour on this show.

We talk about how the masculine ideal is shifted and the challenges facing modern men today.

Men are dying in debts of despair of four times the rate of women, and we talk about our own perspectives on juggling resilience, ambition,

and the ever-envolving definition of success of the man.

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I always appreciate your support in the show, and I hope that you enjoy my conversation with my friend Hector.

What a pleasure. I'm here with my friend Hector Santa Bastien, hope I can ask that right, and host of the modern masculinity podcast. How are you, brother?

I am wonderful, and I'm excited to be here with you today.

Awesome. Let's start with this, Hector, because I'm always curious by hosts.

When you start a podcast, you've got a lot of things to say, or you're very curious about something, and a lot of people say you should really podcasting markets, so saturated.

You should really try and be specialized, and my podcast is very unspecialized, and yours is very specialized.

What made you want to dive into the idea of modern masculinity?

Well, yeah, before that, you said you were, usually when you were a guest on a show, you came on my show a few weeks ago, or maybe it was a couple of months ago when we recorded it, and you said that that was always easier for you.

I'm the opposite. When I think about going on, I've done hundreds of interviews and hosts, and that is easy for me going on the other side.

My heart starts to race, my anxiety. I'm like, what if I start to ramble, and I'm doing it now, and so anyways, all that to say that I am in the other side.

So if I do start to ramble, know that it's because of my innate nervousness that comes up in these situations.

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