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In Our Time: Science

Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle

In Our Time: Science

BBC

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4.51.4K Ratings

🗓️ 28 March 2024

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

Melvyn Bragg and guests discuss the German physicist who, at the age of 23 and while still a student, effectively created quantum mechanics for which he later won the Nobel Prize. Werner Heisenberg made this breakthrough in a paper in 1925 when, rather than starting with an idea of where atomic particles were at any one time, he worked backwards from what he observed of atoms and their particles and the light they emitted, doing away with the idea of their continuous orbit of the nucleus and replacing this with equations. This was momentous and from this flowed what’s known as his Uncertainty Principle, the idea that, for example, you can accurately measure the position of an atomic particle or its momentum, but not both.

With

Fay Dowker Professor of Theoretical Physics at Imperial College London

Harry Cliff Research Fellow in Particle Physics at the University of Cambridge

And

Frank Close Professor Emeritus of Theoretical Physics and Fellow Emeritus at Exeter College at the University of Oxford

Producer: Simon Tillotson

Reading list:

Philip Ball, Beyond Weird: Why Everything You Thought You Knew about Quantum Physics Is Different (Vintage, 2018)

John Bell, ‘Against 'measurement'’ (Physics World, Vol 3, No 8, 1990)

Mara Beller, Quantum Dialogue: The Making of a Revolution (University of Chicago Press, 2001)

David C. Cassidy, Beyond Uncertainty: Heisenberg, Quantum Physics, And The Bomb (Bellevue Literary Press, 2010)

Werner Heisenberg, Physics and Philosophy (first published 1958; Penguin Classics, 2000)

Carlo Rovelli, Helgoland: The Strange and Beautiful Story of Quantum Physics (Penguin, 2022)

Transcript

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0:00.0

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This is in our time from BBC Radio 4,

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and this is one of more than a thousand episodes you can find on BBC Sounds and on our website.

0:13.7

If you scroll down the page for this edition, you can find a reading list to go with it.

0:17.9

I hope you enjoy the program. Hello, at the age of 23, German physics student Werner Heisenberg effectively created

0:26.7

quantum mechanics for which he later won the Nobel Prize. He made this breakthrough in a paper

0:32.1

in 1925 when he worked backwards from what he observed

0:36.2

of atoms and their particles and did away with the idea of continuous orbit replacing this

0:41.5

with equations, as we'll hear this was momentous and from

0:45.5

this flowed what's known as his uncertainty principle the idea that for example

0:50.1

you can accurately measure the position of an atomic particle or its momentum, but not both.

0:57.0

We need to explain and discuss Heisenberg on his uncertainty principle are Faye Dauker, Professor of Theoretical Physics at Imperial College London.

1:05.0

Harry Cliff, Research Fellow in Particle Physics at the University of Cambridge, and Frank Close,

1:11.0

Professor Emeritus of Theoretical Physics and Fellow Emeritus at

1:14.2

Exeter College at the University of Oxley.

1:17.0

Frank, what was there in his background that suggested he was going to go in that direction. Well, he was born in 1901 in Bavaria, and his father was a teacher of classics and Greek.

1:30.0

And I think that the young Werner was very interested in the ideas of Plato. He read Plato while he was hiking in the Bavarian mountains.

1:40.0

And the reason I think that that was important for him is that later he made a remark, which was that the smallest units of matter are not particles in an ordinary sense, but forms ideas only expressed in mathematical language.

1:56.4

So I think it was that classical background from his father that perhaps made him look that way.

2:02.2

But he became interested obviously in

2:04.0

maths and physics and that was what he went to study as an undergraduate at

2:08.6

Munich and then Gertingen from 1920 to 23.

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