Hi, my name is Chris Brennan, and you're listening to the Astrology Podcast. This episode was recorded on Sunday, September 22nd, 2019, starting at 221 p.m. in Denver, Colorado, and this is the 225th episode of the show. In this episode I'm going to be talking

with astrologers, Helena, Avelar and Louise Rivero about their new book on traditional astrology.

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Hi, thanks for joining me today. Thanks for having us.

It's quite to be here.

It's good to talk to you.

I've corresponded with both of you for many years now, for over a decade,

but I think this is the first time I've talked to you in person over Zoom.

Yeah, I think it is.

Yeah.

All right, so you both, I guess in order to introduce this episode, I should say that you're both actually

the authors of one of my favorite introductory books on astrology, where I have a list of books that's like my top six beginner astrology books and your book from 2010 is on that list is one of the best books that I recommend to beginners titled on the Heavenly Spheres, a treaty on traditional astrology.

So this was published by the AFA in 2010 and when did you originally write this book?

2007.

Yeah, that was... Yeah, that's where the Portuguese publication came out in 2007. It took us about three years to write it. So to seven and four it was in four

2005 that's originally it was to be a very small book okay yeah

I'm familiar with that process of how that happens. So where are you both from?

I'm from Lisbon. And I'm from Sutuba which is a few kilometers south of Lisbon, so around the area.

Okay. And how old are you, roughly?

I'm 55. I'm 45. Okay. And how long have you both been studying astrology and then practicing it?

Do you want to start? You mean together or individually?

Let's start individually and then talk about how you started doing it together.

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