Hey friends and welcome to the happy hour with Jamie Ivy Podcast.

I'm your host Jamie and I'm so glad you're here.

Each week on this show I invite a friend to join me and we chat about the big things in life,

the little things in life and the little things in life, and everything in between. Hello everyone I am clearly not Jamie Ivy. I'm E. Salma Colle, the Associate Professor New Testament at

Witten College and I feel again as a guest host on the happy hour with

Jamie Ivy and so forgive me for not being her forgive me for any inadequacies

Jamie's better at this than I am but you you're going to have to deal with us. So it's me today. I have a guest on the show, Jewel, Jewel, if you already messed it about, too is it going to mess up the name? Jamie wouldn't do that. Joe, Joe Mutamale, who is a PhD, you have your PhD in biblical theology. You are the theological

director at Proverse 31 Ministry is that the right title?

Yeah, yeah, mhm.

Okay and you also are on the preaching team at Transformation Church as well. Is that accurate?

That's right. In South Carolina with our boys.

South Carolina.

And I think Derwin's been on the podcast too.

If he hasn't been on here, Derwin should be on here.

And I was, we're here to talk about your book humility,

but about your book Hidden Peace.

We didn't get to that for a second,

but I have a real pressing question.

Because I was reading your book,

and you have a real interesting backstory.

You were born I think here in the States, right?

Yeah.

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