On the new episode of the Larry Arn Show, he'll still college president Larry Arn sits down

with historian and classicist Victor Davis Hanson for a one-on-one conversation.

One of the things I think we've got to do is go back to smaller government less regulation.

But to do that, you just can't say that. That means, okay, Victor, how do you do it?

Well, you have to elect the House and the Senate and the White House, and then you have to be

on the same page. That's very difficult to do. It's very rare when a party can do that,

but that's what the only solution, unless you believe that you can do it spiritually or culturally

or socially by changing the hearts and minds of people. Listen to this exclusive interview with

Victor Davis Hanson right now, only available on the Larry Arn Show. Find it on the Hillsdale College

Podcast Network at podcast.hillsdale.edu or wherever you get your audio.

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Good morning, glory of America, Bonjour, I can't it, it's you here at Backup in Studio North.

Dr. Larry Arn is my guest today, and Dr. Arn has been with us for the last five weeks as a

teacher of students at Hillsdale, but I dragged him out of his summer repose to come and do an update

with me about many things. Dr. Arn, are you spending your summer in DC and Michigan or

yet on your big bike harleying around the country? You know, I've been almost exclusively in Michigan,

and I haven't been on my motorcycle, and yet it's kind of fun. I've decided that I would prefer not

to do anything. Well, you know, but most days that's the problem that fetching Mrs. Hewitt

experiences in me. I'd rather read a book, and whatever she wants to, I'd rather read a book.

Dr. Larry Arn, I wanted to catch up with you because we are at a moment of extraordinary crisis

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