So this month, I'm going on a vacation with my wife to Europe. We're going to Spain, France, and

Italy. And I have never been to Italy. And to prepare for that trip, I listen to my friend's podcast.

His name is Steve Guerr. And he's got a podcast history of the papacy. And he just released a new

episode. It's titled Pizza, Pinocchio, and the papacy. And it's fascinating. He talks

about how pizza and the story of Pinocchio, the famous story about the wooden boy who wants to be a

real boy, how it reflects Italian history during the 19th and 20th century. If you get tired of

talking about presidents and you want to learn a little bit more about

popes, make sure you check out history of the papacy hosted by Steve Guera.

And we're actually going to show you a clip right now from that episode about Pinocchio and Pizza.

So make sure you check it out.

Hope you enjoy it.

I wonder what I was always thinking is with Pius the Ninth, the deal that the Italian

government gives him is probably about as good of a deal as you can absolutely give someone

there.

You can have this bit of land.

It's not a ton of land, but it's his own, it's his own property.

The papacy gets to control certain churches around the city.

They didn't really have to do any of that, but they also knew that there's a lot of Catholics around and if they're

too tough on him, that it's going to play well. But everything, I think that Pius the Ninth,

I don't think he was a brilliant tactician. I don't think he was a brilliant person with any

of the political person, but I think he really understood messaging and the public

relations. He won the PR battle because he could explain his situation in a minute, but it took

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