How Apple and Google abuse the app market – Gene Burrus, global policy council, CAF

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🗓️ 7 October 2024

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Gene Burrus, global policy council at the Coalition for App Fairness, discusses how Apple and Google use their dominant position in the app store market to unfairly treat app developers and the legal battle taking place over this.

Burrus joined the Coalition for App Fairness – a group of app developers advocating for a competitive and fair marketplace – after his work at Spotify (a CAF member) introduced him to the complex struggle between app stores and apps. CAF contains members from early-stage startups to global powerhouses, including Fortnite developer Epic Games. Burrus explains the various legal challenges made against Apple and Google and the progress from global competition regulators in breaking up the app store monopoly, described by Burrus as being akin to Microsoft’s domination of the software market in the 90s before anti-trust lawsuits came into place.

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0:00.0	The spirit of the law is obviously clearly to design to deny a gatekeeper the ability to exercise that gatekeeping power in a meaningful way.
0:15.0	It's supposed to take that power away from them and obviously they're not going willingly give up that power and the profits that
0:21.6	come with it. There's a section of the DMA that says they have to allow apps to interoperate
0:28.8	free of charge. That's the express language in the Digital Markets Act says free of charge.
0:33.7	But Apple just has said we don't agree with that. We don't think that's right.
0:37.8	And so we're not going to do it.
0:39.3	The CMA is definitely a more than capable regulator.
0:47.3	And they've set up a team that has both the experience
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1:36.9	Hello and welcome to the UKTM podcast, a weekly chat with the movers and shakers of the UK tech industry and the destination for all things UK tech related.
1:41.4	And today I am joined by Gene Burris, Global Policy Council for the Coalition for
1:46.6	for App Fairness. Welcome, Gene. Thank you. Nice to be here. And we're actually breaking the rules here
1:52.4	of talking to somebody in the UK tech industry, because not only are you not in the UK, you're in
1:56.9	Seattle, but your organisation isn't based in the UK, is it? But how's life in Seattle?
2:02.2	What's the weather like there?
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