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Black History Year

How Black Mourning and Communal Grief Keep Us Alive with Dr. Leslie T. Grover

Black History Year

PushBlack

History, Society & Culture

4.32.1K Ratings

🗓️ 2 April 2025

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

This week, we're getting into the inherited, collective, and often unspoken legacy of Black grief. Joined by Dr. Leslie T. Grover, an award-winning author, activist, and scholar dedicated to historical storytelling as a tool for justice and healing, we look at everything from Maya Angelou's refusal to celebrate her birthday after MLK's assassination to age-old funerary traditions passed down through generations to understand that grief has always been bigger than sorrow for Black folks--it's how we honor, celebrate, and love our ancestors, each other, and ourselves. -- To find more of Leslie's incredible work, visit https://www.leslietgrover.com/ — This podcast is brought to you by PushBlack, the nation’s largest non-profit Black media company. You make PushBlack happen with your contributions at BlackHistoryYear.com. Most folks do 5 or 10 bucks a month, but truly, anything helps. Thanks for supporting the work. With production support from Leslie Taylor-Grover and Brooke Brown, Black History Year is produced by Cydney Smith, Darren Wallace, and Len Webb, who also edits the show. Lilly Workneh is our Executive Producer and Black History Year's host is Darren Wallace. To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

The point is that there is not a spiritual weakness to grieve and you don't get a prize for being the strong as black person in the room.

0:27.0

You know, some folks say grief lives in the marrow of black bones, and the fertile soil bathed in black blood and gaps of black futures beckoning for breath. But listen closer,

0:32.9

and we'll hear the ring shouts where ancestors turn shackles into rhythms. We can see the quilts that

0:38.2

stitched our coated cry. The jazz funerals where sorrow became a second-line strut. From the hush

0:45.1

harbors of enslaved believers humming freedom into spirituals to the port side vigils with southern

0:49.7

black women braided rage in the Psalms. Our grief has always been a language, a ledger, a lifeline.

0:56.7

I'm Darren with Push Black, and you're locked into Black History Year.

1:03.6

Today, we're sitting down with Dr. Leslie T. Grover,

1:07.2

award-winning author, near the architect, and founder of Assisi House, to dissect the unspoken

1:12.8

power of Black Greep as a compass for Black liberation.

1:16.8

From the sacred rage of the salt eaters to the defined joy of New Orleans second-line

1:20.6

funerals, Dr. Grover unravels how ancestral trauma pulses in our cells, while laughter

1:26.1

is revolutionary medicine, and why whiteness fears our

1:29.8

lamentations. We'll confront the ghost of Reconstruction's unkept promises, dissect the violence

1:35.3

of post-traumatic slave syndrome rhetoric, and exposed a performative hypocrisy of kenthe-clad

1:41.1

politicians. But again, this ain't just about pain.

1:45.4

It's about power, because Dr. Grover's got the receipts and diagnoses

1:49.3

detailing how even trap music can become a song,

1:52.3

how crowning ceremonies defy a racher,

1:54.8

and why holding sacred space is our birthright.

1:58.7

Let's get into it.

2:07.4

Thank you. Is our birthright? Let's get into it. I don't know if this is just something that's woo-woo or gobbledygook or whatnot, but, you know,

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