Welcome to the Green Alliance podcast. We are the charity and think tank that's all about achieving ambitious leadership for the environment. I'm Stuart Dossett, a senior policy advisor at Green Alliance.

Rising prices and falling real wages are driving the cost of living crisis is making it harder for people to heat their homes

and travel to work or appointments. By the end of 2022, more than 6 million UK households

were living in fuel poverty, and with public transport fare increases and the rising cost

of fuel, an increasing number of households were also pushed into transport poverty.

The difficulties that people face in heating their homes and travelling around come at a time when

the UK needs to cut its greenhouse gas emissions to reach net zero.

Transport is responsible for more of the UK's emissions than any other sector, while our homes

are the third highest source.

In a recent Green Alliance report called

Green Uplift, we showed how the scale of change to reach net zero in home heating and transport

is a major opportunity to remove structural causes in fuel and transport poverty by designing

policies to speed up the transition. To explore this in greater detail and to understand more about what it's like

to live in fuel and transport poverty,

I'm joined by Mary Martis Gainan

and Neil Simcock.

Mary and Neil research fuel and transport poverty

is part of the Fair Work Program

at the Centre for Research

Into Energy Demand Solutions.

Maybe we've just start off with why do we need to think about fuel poverty and transport poverty together?

So there is quite a lot of research already in the UK on fuel poverty and it's very quite well known that

...