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The Many of our listeners are no doubt familiar with our guest today, Brett Baer, who you know from his show, special report on the Fox News Channel. He also happens to be a presidential historian

having written books on presidents Ulysses Grant, Franklin Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower,

and Ronald Reagan. And they're great books because they focus on moments in history that are

sometimes overlooked, but represent key inflection points that determine

the fate of our country. And he's just written a new book, this time on George Washington,

titled To Rescue the Constitution. So we're pleased to have him on our show.

I betcha. So you start this story in the present day in a debate at Oxford between Bernie Sanders and

Lindsey Graham. So what happened there? It's an interesting way to start a book on George Washington.

Yeah. And there's an Oxford style of debate, but it was held at the Senate chamber, the makeshift Senate chamber at the Ted

Kennedy Library. And it was set in as an effort to try to find common ground between

senators and by the bipartisan policy center and the Ted Kennedy and Warren Hatch

Foundation. They were ideological different people in the Senate, but they worked together

to do big things and big pieces of legislation. So that was the premise of that debate. And I

start the book with that neck, because as I was finishing writing the book, I was moderating

those series of debates. This first one was with Lindsey Graham and Bernie Sanders, who couldn't

be more ideologically different as far as where

they stand. So as I was doing that and they were talking about different things, I was in my head

saying, you look back to the formation of our country and the constitutional convention and the

things that Washington tried to do to hold the country together during that time.

And while the arguments are different and the specifics are different, the broad strokes are the same.

So that's why I kind of started in that venue to lay out that, you know, the premise is that Washington, really in his life, by his service, was trying to find a way for the nation to be born and to find common ground between people that had dissenting views. And dissent was baked into the cake of our foundation. We shouldn't be afraid of dissenting voices. But eventually, you get to common ground and coming together and doing things.

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