I care a lot more about me getting into heaven than Hallow having like a couple thousand extra users or whatever.

So we take very seriously that everything on the app is in line with church teaching.

It's authentically Catholic and that we're trying to guide people in a spirituality, in a relationship with the Lord that's in alignment with church teaching.

And hopefully Hallow can be a tool for the church.

We were praying about how to structure it,

and we were debating, like, having it be just a small business or like a nonprofit where we give

everything away for free or a startup. Obviously, Jesus is saying you take the one talent and you

try to multiply it to 10 or you try to multiply it to five. What I'd never really thought of before is

the amount of risk involved in the person who went from one to ten.

You're not putting it in a treasury bill.

You're not like doing normal trades.

You're doing like pretty crazy.

That's the startup.

Like a startup goes from one to ten.

But what we do have is this unique opportunity to reach out to the folks who have most fallen away.

All right. So you went on Tucker Carlson's show and you're coming here.

Wow, this is very nice of you.

Bigger than this.

This is Matt Fragg.

Oh, yeah, Tucker wishes he could get invited.

So what was that like? Tucker was great. Yeah.

Yeah, I was pretty nervous because it was certainly the biggest interview I'd ever done.

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