In this episode,

Yesterday, December the 13th, at around 8.30 PM, Baghdad time, United States military forces captured Saddam Hussein alive.

I speak with Eric Maddox, the man who located the fugitive despot, Saddam Hussein.

I'm extremely proud that I was able to be the interrogator who tracked down Saddam.

We discuss his extraordinary experiences in Iraq, the controversy surrounding use of so-called enhanced interrogation by other operatives, and Eric's own much more successful and humane approach to his work.

But Dan, I'm telling you that there's a process of communication that unblocks this level of trust.

Iraq behavior demonstrate that Saddam Hussein and his regime have made no effort, no effort to disarm as required by the international community.

Those opposed to this course of action share my manifestation of Saddam.

During more than two decades in power, Saddam Hussein had initiated wars with two

neighboring countries, violently oppressed dissidents, used chemical weapons on his own citizens, and enriched himself, while increasing numbers of his countrymen fell into poverty.

In 2003, under the auspices of enforcing UN resolutions, the United States and its allies

invaded Iraq, while much public focus had been placed on the search for ultimately seemingly non-existent weapons of mass destruction,

General Tommy Franks, who led the operation, stated that of the eight objectives of war,

the first goal was to remove Saddam Hussein from power.

In less than three weeks, that objective had seemingly been accomplished as Baghdad fell.

But Saddam and his lieutenants were still at large, hiding in the country

as an insurgency unfolded.

The United States produced a list of wanted fugitives, numbered like a pack of cards, as Eric Maddox explained to me.

It was Saddam Hussein, he was the Ace of Spades, along with everybody on the deck of cards, the Joint Special Operations Command was tasked for that primary mission.

They didn't have interrogators. They, going after high value targets there wouldn't really like a long purpose

detention for individuals as they were going weeks and weeks and then months and they weren't able to capture Saddam,

they started to realize gathering intelligence from prisoners might be a value.

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