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Wyoming Catholic.edu. We have with us today Philip Hamburger, professor of law at Columbia

Law School and also president of something called the New Civil Liberties Alliance.

He's been with us before a couple years ago on a previous book.

Among his many writings is, is administrative law unlawful?

And a new book now called Purchasing Submission, Conditions, Power, Freedom.

Our topic today. Welcome, Professor Hamburger. Thank you so much. Great to be here with you.

First, a question for an administrator.

What is the new Civil Liberties Alliance?

Thanks for asking.

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