How Native Rollups Scale Ethereum | Uma Roy & Justin Drake

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🗓️ 17 March 2025

⏱️ 72 minutes

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Summary

Native Rollups are the next big step toward scaling Ethereum securely. In this episode,

Uma Roy (CEO of Succinct) and Justin Drake (Ethereum Foundation researcher) break down what Native Rollups are, how they leverage Ethereum’s core infrastructure for execution and validation, and why they're crucial for stronger security, better composability, and sustainable Ethereum growth.

Tune in to understand the evolution of Ethereum’s rollup-centric roadmap and how Native Rollups could become a foundational upgrade for Ethereum's future.

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TIMESTAMPS

0:00 Intro

6:41 Why Native Rollups?

16:32 Security & Composability Benefits

38:13 ZKProofs

42:52 Making L2s Native

50:48 Network Effects

52:35 Customizability Trade-Offs

58:59 Timelines

1:02:39 ETH Economic Impacts

1:05:46 Other Advantages

1:08:17 Succinct

1:08:59 ETHProofs.org

1:11:32 Real-Time Proving

1:12:33 Ethereum’s Bottleneck

1:15:43 Closing & Disclaimers

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RESOURCES

Uma Roy

https://x.com/pumatheuma

Justin Drake

https://x.com/drakefjustin

Native Rollups

https://ethresear.ch/t/native-rollups-superpowers-from-l1-execution/21517

Succinct

https://www.succinct.xyz/

L2Beat

https://l2beat.com/scaling/summary

ETHProofs

https://ethproofs.org/

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0:00.0	I think the simple like one-liner is become native, get more TVL, get more users.
0:07.0	And everyone wants that.
0:08.5	And that's good for the roll-up.
0:10.7	That's good for users.
0:12.0	That's also good for Ethereum.
0:16.9	Welcome to Bankless, where we explore the frontier of internet money and internet finance.
0:21.1	And today on the show, we're exploring the frontier of native roll-ups on Ethereum.
0:25.4	The big problem in the Ethereum roll-up landscape is the problem of non-homogeneity.
0:30.6	When Ethereum decided it was going to scale with roll-ups, it exported its scaling strategy to independent layer two teams,
0:36.6	which all rolled their own code for
0:39.3	a roll-up design. Now, Ethereum has scaled with many different roll-ups, but all of those
0:44.4	roll-ups are themselves not very close to Ethereum. They all have different code, they all have
0:50.9	different security assumptions, and they're all creating their own competing standard.
0:55.7	This heterogeneity in Ethereum roll-ups have given rise to the meme that Ethereum layer
0:59.9	twos are not Ethereum. Ethereum layer-tos are in fact distinct from Ethereum, and a lot of
1:05.7	problems in Ethereum are downstream of this reality. Enter Native roll-ups, which is a design construction of an Ethereum roll-up that tackles the
1:15.0	issue of non-homogeneous roll-ups head-on.
1:17.7	It does this by baking in the security of Ethereum roll-ups directly into the layer one itself.
1:23.2	Instead of optimism, arbitram, base, all having fraud proofs and a security council, the idea
1:29.4	of native roll-ups is that this is actually a service that the Ethereum layer one can and maybe
1:33.8	should provide by baking in an EVM pre-compile directly into the code of the Ethereum layer
1:40.3	one.
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