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So, you know, just to give you a sense for what's happened, this all began in 2020. In the last

five years, you know, hundreds of victims have come forward.

Now there's lawsuits on behalf of nearly 300 victims and 25 lawsuits suing porn hub, including

class actions on behalf of tens of thousands of child victims.

They've been criminally charged by the U.S. government.

They've lost all credit card processing, Visa, MasterCard, and Discover cut them off.

They actually had to take down 91% of the entire website had to be taken down in what

Financial Times called probably the biggest takedown of content in internet history.

All right. So we are here at the art conference, and I've been talking to all sorts of political leaders and thinkers and philosophers and all of those types about the civilizational struggle that we're in.

You come at it from a slightly different place from really focusing on human trafficking and pornography, but that fits within this civilizational struggle that we're going through.

So I guess first, how did you get involved in all that?

And then we'll relate to the context.

Yeah, sure.

In the context of now 18 years in the fight against sex trafficking, about five years ago, I was investigating the intersection between what I called a big porn industry and sex trafficking and child sexual abuse and was paying attention to the headlines and heard some really horrific stories of child abuse that was taking place on Pornhub. It was being monetized and globally distributed and specifically the case of a 15-year-old girl from Florida who was

missing for an entire year and she was finally found when her distraught mother was tipped off by

a Pornhub user that he recognized her daughter on the site. And she was found in

58 videos being raped for profit on porn hub. And so in the context of my work, I said, I asked a question,

how in the world was this happening? How were, and it wasn't just that victim. It was numerous victims

that we were hearing about. And it was a question of how did this happen? And I began to

look at the big porn tube sites. These are the YouTubes of porn. I tested the upload system by, you know,

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