there's more of a blurred line of distinction between medicine and drugs and people realize

because even sacred psychedelic plant medicine can be utilized as a drug and it can lead to abuse

or can lead to other problems. And oftentimes many things labeled as drugs can have medicinal

properties, can have connective properties, can allow you to experience and explore an aspect

of yourself that was formerly hidden. So we're offering this podcast with Caitlin, Kyle, and Eric

to share our experiences, not to encourage anybody to do anything, but just to understand that

it's going to happen when you're at a festival or where you're at a party, you're going to be

around people or perhaps participating in the utilization of these substances. So we wanted to share

all right, here's where it might go, okay, and here's where it could turn absolutely tragic.

And it's important to understand both of those categories and to realize that abstinence and

pretending that we're not going to interact with these substances is just not real. It's not helpful.

So as veterans of the game, we just wanted to offer our wisdom, advice, experience from a loving

place and say, here's the field as we know it and understand it. Here's where we've fallen

and here's where things have gone all right. So without further ado, sharing this podcast with

Caitlin, Kyle, and Eric. All right, fam. Here we are for everybody. This is Caitlin, Eric, and Kyle,

my best friends on the earth. Good job, Kyle. Kyle's in a mood today. This is going to be great.

I'm ready. This is going to be great. So one of the things that I wanted to talk about is we

recognize and we have all the statistics in that you just teach about abstinence and it doesn't

actually work to encourage kids to understand sexuality, to understand what's going on with STDs,

also denies them the actual real pleasure of fucking, right? Like come on, y'all, like it's going

to happen. There's a strong desire for it. And so much better is to actually explain from experience

where things have been beautiful, where things have actually gotten ugly and messy. But sex isn't

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