You go to New York much?

Never.

I closed my house.

I basically, I tricked my wife.

You know how your wife always wants to renovate your house?

No idea.

So my wife always wants to renovate my house, right?

Every minute I've been alive, my wife just wanted to renovate parts of my house.

So we moved out once a year and a half ago we moved out four a year and a half a half ago and she only did half the house and she still rused the day that

she only did half the house really so that so this so that was the deal what I did is I

bought a house in Washington said you want to renovate the house? She said, yeah. I said, great. We hired a contractor.

Wait, you brought Brett Beers' house. Yeah. Yeah. That's a beautiful house. I talk about whatever you want, by the way. I'm happy to talk about serious things, casual things.

No, let's just do this. Let's just roll because he's on fire. You're already running, right? He's on fire. I'm going all in. All right, besties. I think that was another epic discussion. People love the interviews. I could hear him talk for hours.

Absolutely.

We crush your questions. I admit it. We are giving people ground troops data to underwrite your own opinion.

What do you guys say? That was fun.

That was fun. Alice Grant.

Howard, thanks for being here.

Thanks for joining myself and David Freeberg on the Allend podcast.

I want to take a step back before we talk about today and instead talk about your friendship

with the president, how it started, how you guys got to know each other, and walk us through

the moment when you,

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