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Inside the Hive

“I Really Think He is Against America”: Trump The Traitor?

Inside the Hive

Vanity Fair

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4.21.5K Ratings

🗓️ 4 September 2020

⏱️ 73 minutes

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Summary

On this week’s “Inside the Hive,” Emily Jane Fox and Joe Hagan assess the state of the presidential race at the end of the long, hot 2020 summer and find themselves torn between glimmers of hope for Joe Biden in the polls and the ongoing apocalyptic tidings of Trumpism. In a feature interview, Hagan talks to longtime Republican strategist Stuart Stevens, whose best-selling book “It Was All a Lie” is a confession, a mea culpa and a searing analysis of the racism and xenophobia that has swallowed the GOP with the rise of Donald Trump, who he deems a “traitor” to his country. "I really think he is against America, what it means to be an American,” he says, blaming the Republican Party for "a complete collapse of responsibility that they had to defend democracy in America. And they failed." Stevens also offers advice on how to talk to your Trump-loving relatives about their vote in November. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Here we are again. I am here. My name is Emily Jane Fox. I am here with my wonderful

0:09.5

co-host Joe Hagen. Joe made it to the first week in September the last week, last

0:16.2

unofficial week of summer. We did it barely. It was a hellacious summer.

0:25.0

Yeah, I can't.

0:27.0

I'm usually am so sad the last week of summer before Labor Day.

0:32.0

Crushingly sad because... last week of summer before Labor Day.

0:32.8

Crushingly sad because in New York,

0:36.7

it means the seasons are turning.

0:38.3

I hate the cold weather.

0:40.7

You're sort of back to school to school back to work summer Fridays there over the whole

0:46.0

shebang it feels absolutely no different this year a part of it is because I'm in

0:50.1

Los Angeles and the weather is the same almost the entire year so I don't have that sadness.

0:55.4

But also every day is exactly the same in quarantine land.

1:00.8

The only real difference I feel at this point is with every passing moment we are getting closer to the election, which brings me both a tremendous amount of excitement and an incredibly paralyzing amount of fear.

1:16.6

And yet here we are closer than ever.

1:19.2

I am more nervous about the outcome of this election and the ability to vote in this election and people not telling the truth to pollsters as we lead up to it.

1:29.3

I feel very nervous. How do you feel?

1:39.9

I share all of your anxiety, but I recently spoke with the Republican strategist Stuart Stevens, who I interviewed and who we're going to be hearing from in a little while.

1:47.0

And he's one of these sort of like, you know, consultant cowboys of Washington who has absolute confidence in what he's saying.

1:56.0

You know, now some of that could be bullshit, but these guys have numbers and they're plugged

1:59.9

in and they're, you know, they've been through these races before and they kind of have, you know,

2:08.4

nuggets of wisdom about what to think about and what to pay attention to. And one of the things that he observed and pointed out to me is that after the conventions and after another week in which all of the images that they painted of Donald Trump as,

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