The problem now is that we don't want to wait.

You want to follow a lot quick.

You want to have everything quick.

And in the waiting and in the playing with the waiting, the magic happens.

You know, when you're not thinking, the thinking is too much chaos.

And it's good. Chaos is good too.

Chaos means order too for me, you know, like they're not rejecting each other.

This is Barbara Sanchez-Kane. They're a fashion designer and an artist, but that's not quite right.

A lot of people try to dismantle a name calling me like a designer and then an artist and to tell you

through the same. I do understand people need like divisions, but one thing can not live with

the other thing. Actually never think about how they're going to cross, but they always have this

orgasic moment.

Barbara, who uses both male and female pronouns,

is the founder of the masculine fashion label, Sanchez-Kain.

When you wear a piece of Sanchez-Kane,

you're not just wearing cotton or wool or leather.

You're wearing slap straps, parcel tape, condoms, garments made entirely of belts or zippers,

clothes with gaping windows to your body, clothes so sculptural they make your body disappear completely.

Barbara's guiding force is the macho-sentimental,

a hedonistic clash of masculinity and femininity.

You're listening to In The Studio on the BBC World Service.

I'm Alice McKee, and in this episode I'm joining Barbara Sanchez-Cain as she embarks on the creation of her next collection.

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