The film was powerful. I thought it made some really important points. I'm almost certain it's going to cause a moral panic.

It's somewhat disconcerting for me, having researched this topic, to see this show being brought up in parliament.

Policy decisions from our politicians should be based on sober research rather than a piece of performance art.

Violence towards others and killing people, mass shootings and things like that is not the only harm associated within cell ideology.

You have an opportunity cost of a generation of young men kind of giving up on dating.

I should be clear that the evidence for these Manosphere-inspired violence like Jamie is very thin on the ground. There hasn't been

a whole lot of cases like this. William, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. It's great to

have you on. You are a go-to guy on all things to do

within sales, Manosphere, etc. We had a great first conversation with you three years ago.

And now we've got this series on Netflix, which is on course to be the most watched thing on their

adolescents. You messengers saying there's a lot to talk about. What did you make of it?

Yeah, so it's making a huge splash and it's shining a light on my topic of research,

so the in-cell topic or the manosphere more broadly.

The first couple of things I'd really want to clarify from the outset is that it's somewhat disconcerting for me,

having researched this topic, to see this

show being brought up in Parliament. So, Prime Minister Starmour was asked if he'd seen the show,

if he'd have plans to show, to play the show for politicians in Parliament, and he said that

he might, and he even misspoke, and he described the show as a documentary

at first, which I'm sympathetic to a misspeaking.

But the fact that that might be the tendency to overinflate the remit of this show.

So, in my opinion, policy decisions from our politicians should be based on sober research rather

than a piece of performance art, no matter how powerful that piece of art is. So that's kind of

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