What if your church told you that being righteous could make you whiter and straighter?

And what if that messaging subtle and direct followed you into therapy rooms, church offices,

and even the missionary training center, all trying to fix something that was never broken?

Today, we talk with Sam Nevis, a conversion therapy survivor and trained therapists who pulls back the curtain on the deeply harmful practices within Mormonism that tried to erase his identity.

This is one of the most powerful conversations we've ever had. Stay with us. This is a story you need to hear next on Mormonism Live. With that applause, it just goes away so quickly nowadays.

It does.

Because when the applause would play with our intro it would

often sort of just be like a blur and people would complain by having it all be in one media file

it plays more cleanly but it does end it does drone off but it does end a little bit abruptly

it goes right off the Pacific shelf there.

There you go.

Right where the fault line is.

Mr. Radio Freemorman, how are you doing this evening?

You know what's really funny?

I'm fine.

Thank you for asking.

I hope you're well.

The funny thing is, it's that I'm sitting here thinking that we have to do an introduction

because we just got done with the intro music, because I'm not yet completely accustomed to this new and improved way

that you suggested that we do things and we are doing them,

of having an introduction first, a lead in, so to speak.

What is that called?

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