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Like, how competitive is the media?

Well, like toxic would be another word.

Really? Is it?

Well, it's funny because I left the law after 10 years because it was toxic and it was non-stop and it was just too much of a grind and I got into that lovely stew they call media.

And it was not exactly the respite I thought it would be, but it's fun. I have to say as much as the media is disgusting and horrid, it's a fun industry in which to work.

So why is it disgusting and horrid? I mean, is it?

Because it's a bunch of dishonest partisans masquerading as independent journalists who want your love and don't deserve it.

It was a slow-boiled grant. It was a slow-boiled. When I got into media in 2004, it wasn't this way.

You know, it was like there were tinges, but you know, from 2004 to right now, my god, what a sea change.

And it's a good thing. What ultimately happened in large part because of Trump, but it wasn't his fault.

He was, I would say like, Trump was the Kavorkian to the media's own chosen outcome in their life.

He exposed them for what they are. And that was a good thing. Love him or hate him. That was a great thing he did for the country.

So where, just because you brought him up, is it love or hate right now?

For me? Yeah.

You know, I never hated Trump. Right.

I didn't particularly love our little skirmish over those nine months, but the thing I would say distinguishes me from a lot of the journalists that he's gone after is.

I never took it personally. I never held it against him. I covered him tough. You know, I gave him tough questions of that debate.

But as soon as I went to Trump Tower and kind of asked him to lay off me, he did. And we've gotten along well ever since.

Now, did you, because I didn't have this as part of the interview, right?

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