You're listening to the Hard Men Podcast, reclaiming biblical masculinity in a world of softness. 20 has been quite the year. It's been a year in which we've seen many people within the church

capitulate to the culture and in particular to the

dictates of governors and other elected officials across the country. Many churches

have been closing their doors and in particular they've stopped singing.

In today's episode we talk with Ben Zorn's.

Ben's the executive pastor at Christchurch in Moscow, Idaho, where he serves alongside Toby

Sumter, Doug Wilson, and a host of other faithful men and women.

In this episode, we'll talk to Ben about why Christchurch has been such a pivotal force for good in the church and in the culture how it can spur courage for other people and in particular why men need to start singing in church like men.

Welcome to this episode of the Hard Man Podcast. I am your host Eric Khan and

today we have a very special guest we have Ben Zorns and Ben is the executive pastor at Christ Church in

Moscow Idaho Ben it's good to have you on the show. Thanks for thanks for

having me. So Ben the first thing I want to ask you is, is this the same Christchurch where where Doug Wilson is the pastor?

Correct. Guilty as charged.

Guilty as charged.

Guilty as charged. Judge.

Some people will certainly read it that way.

You guys are definitely sort of a lightning rod

in the culture right now.

But I want to ask you for people who don't know

the executive pastor, or what what exactly does that

title mean and what do you do at the church?

Yeah well I am largely my task is like the helping all the stallions in our stable to, you know, sort of gallop the same way, you might say.

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