Hey, worldly listeners, it's Zach. We've got something a little bit different for you today

that we're really excited about. It's a new episode of a new show from our colleagues at Cafe

called Now and Then. So every Tuesday, historians Heather Cox Richards and Joanne Freeman will

explore current events in the larger context of American history to help us understand how the

past can inform today's most pressing challenges. If you don't know who Heather and Joanne are,

they're really distinguished historians, and so it's awesome to have them doing the show for

Fox Media, super exciting. The episode you're about to hear is called entangling alliances. Heather

and Joanne discussed the emerging Biden doctrine and what the relationship between foreign and domestic

policies looked like throughout American history. They talk about three big examples from the past.

The French Revolution, Teddy Roosevelt's progressive turn, and the cultural legacies of the Vietnam

War. If you enjoy listening to worldly every week, I think you're really going to enjoy this episode,

and you should follow Now and Then, your favorite podcast app, and there are new episodes every Tuesday

morning. From Cafe and the Fox Media Podcast Network, this is Now and Then.

I'm Heather Cox Richards and I'm Joanne Freeman. Before we get to our topic, because this is the

first episode, I thought we'd start with telling our listeners how we met and why we decided to

team up to do this podcast. And I'm going to turn to Heather because she has hinted to me that she

remembers how we met and that I don't. And I'm convinced that's true. And you're going to laugh when

you hear this. Okay. Joanne had just written a really big book, Affairs of Honor, her first book,

which she probably doesn't recognize was like everybody was talking about it at a conference.

And somebody pointed her out at an elevator bank in a hotel in Los Angeles. It was very late at night,

and I went over and met her and shook her hand because I wanted to meet her. And she looked

exhausted and she has absolutely no memory of it. Do you? No, I have absolutely no memory.

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