Hey everyone. I'm Natalie Robimed co-host of infamous a podcast about America's biggest scandals

Right now infamous is telling the story of Kelly Michaels and the satanic panic. It's a complicated wild tale about memory, Satanism, and how one woman was

sentenced to 47 years in prison for the worst crimes imaginable, only to be exonerated.

Here's a sneak preview for my co-host Vanessa Gregoriatis.

This is a story about good and evil.

It's about the spiritual battle that all of us may be engaged in,

every moment of every day, to do the right thing,

or what we think is the right thing to protect those who are good

and innocent from those who are evil.

We are in a spiritual battle every second, but we decide every moment what kind of person we're going to be, what kind of choices we're going to make, are we going to add to the misery of the world, are we going to try to minimize it? Are we going to do what's right?

We're making decisions all the time.

I'm sitting with Kelly Michaels.

We're in her kitchen nook,

near a photo of one of her seven children playing soccer.

And she has thought a lot about good and evil,

perhaps more than most people,

for reasons that will become clear in a little bit.

Actually all human beings are kind of caught in it which is a Tolkien.

If you ever read any of his books, they were all hobbits, believe it or not to.

She's talking about J. R.R. Tolkien, the legendary author of Lord of the Rings and the

Hobbit. You see, Kelly believes that most of us are Hobbets.

If you haven't seen the movies or read the books,

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