For Gans, the question here is a question of timing.

Gans himself is not that powerful.

He's only got eight conescent members.

But if he times it right and if he frames it right,

that moment in which he decides to leave could be pivotal, it could also be a trigger for much bigger

protests as well. He's not doing that much good by remaining and the damage of this terrible government

is bigger.

It is just before

It is just before 5 p.m. on Wednesday, April 3rd in New York City. It is just before midnight in Israel

as Israelis get ready to turn to April 4th when I spoke with Ancho Fefer who has covered

Israeli politics and an Israeli national security and global affairs for over two decades

for Harrah, it's one of Israel's leading newspapers,

and he's also the Israel correspondent for the economist.

He's also the author of the book, BB, the turbulent life in times of Benjamin Netanyahu.

Ancho Fever joins us from Jerusalem where he tries to answer the question

is Benny Gans headed for the exit. This is call me back.

And I'm pleased to welcome back to this podcast, my longtime friend, Ancho feffer from Harrets

who joins me from Jerusalem.

I wanted to get a hold of Anschol

at the last minute before his day completely winds down in Israel

to find out how to make sense of today's events with

Benny Gantz calling for the first time since he's joined this emergency

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