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The Dr. Phil Podcast

Is Justice Really Blind?

The Dr. Phil Podcast

Dr. Phil McGraw

Mental Health, Self-improvement, Society & Culture, Education, Health & Fitness

4.413.2K Ratings

🗓️ 19 April 2025

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

Tonight, Dr. Phil explores how reverse discrimination and DEI initiatives have affected some Americans. Brooks Warden is a plaintiff in a lawsuit alleging students and school administrators in the Austin Independent School District in Texas violated his civil rights. He claims he suffered repeated racial harassment since age 12 when he put on a MAGA hat in a predominantly Hispanic and liberal middle school. Brooks is joined by his father, Monte Warden and their attorney, Mark Trammell, who discuss why they’re appealing their case to the Supreme Court. Lois Herrera, an accomplished former executive at the Department of Education in NYC, was at the center of a discrimination lawsuit against the agency. Herrara, who had had a master’s degree from Harvard, was abruptly demoted and replaced by person of color with a GED. She later settled with courts for $700,000. Attorney Seth Berenzweig offers advice to those who have suffered backlash from DEI policies.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

When did it start?

0:01.1

I wore Make America Great Again hat, and the bullying campaign was unleashed.

0:06.4

Well, is that free speech for them to disagree with you?

0:09.5

Oh, absolutely, to disagree.

0:11.7

But to bully and harass and got to the point to where I was attacked, beaten, and they threatened to kill me.

0:19.1

That's when war was declared on our son.

0:21.6

It's a Supreme Court stepping in.

0:22.6

A legal battle that could redefine discrimination in America.

0:26.6

For decades, racism discussions have centered on historically marginalized groups.

0:41.3

But what happens when a white student claims he was bullied, harassed, and discriminated against

0:47.3

for his race?

0:48.3

21-year-old Brooks Warden says that's exactly what happened to him.

0:53.3

He claims that for years he endured racial slurs,

0:57.6

verbal abuse, and physical attacks while attending middle and high school in the Austin

1:02.5

Independent School District. He says his parents repeated pleas for help to stop the bullying

1:09.0

were ignored, so they sued under Title VI of the Civil Rights Act.

1:13.8

Title VI bans racial discrimination

1:16.4

in federally funded programs,

1:18.2

but some argue that members of a majority group

1:21.4

can't be discriminated against,

1:23.4

and thus there is sometimes a much higher burden of proof

1:27.4

to claim racism.

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