Is the cyber talent ecosystem broken? [CISO Perspectives]

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🗓️ 17 April 2025

⏱️ 40 minutes

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We're sharing a episode from another N2K show we thought you might like. It's the first episode of the new season of the show CISO Perspectives with Kim Jones. Enjoy! Show Notes: The cyber talent ecosystem faces severe indigestion, which has stifled growth and closed doors to new talent. In this episode of CISO Perspectives, host Kim Jones sits down with Ed Adams, the Head of Cybersecurity for North America at the Bureau Veritas Group, to discuss what has caused this indigestion and how leadership can better address these challenges. A key aspect of this conversation revolved around discussing Ed's book, See Yourself in Cyber: Security Careers Beyond Hacking, and how he expands the conversation surrounding traditional roles associated with cybersecurity. Want more CISO Perspectives?: Check out a companion blog post by our very own Ethan Cook, where he breaks down key insights, shares behind-the-scenes context, and highlights research that complements this episode. It’s the perfect follow-up if you’re curious about the cyber talent crunch and how we can reshape the ecosystem for future professionals. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	You're listening to the Cyberwire Network, powered by N2K.
0:09.5	So if I were asked to describe this podcast in one word, that word would be depth.
0:15.9	There are more than a handful of complex issues and challenges, technological and otherwise, that plague the average
0:21.4	CSO. In many cases, we only hear about these issues during brief sessions during a conference,
0:27.2	or more often around the bar after the conference is over. Speakers and podcasters try to address
0:33.4	these problems with short soundbites and incomplete solutions that address only one facet of the issue.
0:39.8	At CISO perspectives, we take a different approach. We tackle a single complex issue over a multi-episode arc,
0:47.1	looking at the issue from every conceivable angle. We bring in subject matter experts to discuss
0:52.4	and debate the aspects of the issues on every episode,
0:55.9	with concrete recommendations that, taken together, present a strategic approach to solutioning the problem.
1:04.5	Welcome to CISO Perspectives. My name is Kim Jones, and I am thrilled to be your host for this season's journey.
1:11.3	For our inaugural season, we've chosen to address the challenges surrounding the cyber talent ecosystem.
1:17.2	As a profession, we've been complaining about talent issues for the better part of a decade.
1:21.3	But our piecemeal unidimensional solutions don't seem to be solving the problem.
1:26.4	To start the conversation, I'm going to ask the overarching question,
1:30.3	why does the cyber talent ecosystem have indigestion?
1:34.3	Enjoy the ride. About seven years ago, I had the privilege of sitting down with a number of current and former Fortune 500 Csos.
2:05.7	We discussed how to structure a new training program for people seeking to enter the cybersecurity field.
2:11.8	I was working with an organization that had funding locked in, and they were given the freedom to structure a program any way they deemed appropriate.
2:20.1	Naturally, they sought the input of industry professionals.
2:24.0	After several hours of back and forth around content, skills to be taught, and levers of rigor,
2:29.8	I made the mistake of asking the obvious question.
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