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It's time to debloat the flabby state

The New Statesman | UK politics and culture

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🗓️ 13 March 2025

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Summary

This morning the PM announced that the state is overstretched and unfocused. The solution? NHS England has been scrapped, quangos are to be slashed, and the civil service shrunk. Do we finally have a vision of Starmerism?


Hannah Barnes is joined by the New Statesman's political editor Andrew Marr, and later in the episode by business editor Will Dunn to discuss Britain's work and benefits problem.


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0:00.0

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0:38.2

Hello, I'm Hannah Barnes, and this is Politics from the New Statesman, where every Thursday we

0:43.3

bring you the latest from Westminster and beyond. Today I'm joined by our political editor, Andrew

0:49.4

Marr, and later in the episode, we'll have the New Statesman's business editor, will done with us to discuss Britain's work problem.

0:59.1

Andrew, let's begin with Keir Stama's speech to reset the state, which has just happened before we're recording this.

1:06.7

He said it's become flabby and overcautious.

1:10.9

You wrote ahead of the speech that there was a feeling in Team Starmer

1:14.1

that we have a state that is, quote, both oversized and underpowered.

1:18.4

Were you expecting this really quite big announcement, the scrappy of NHS England?

1:24.1

Candidly, yes.

1:25.2

Not necessarily NHS England, but I knew there was, there is going to be

1:28.4

a butchery of arm's-length, so-called quangos, regulatory bodies and so on. That's been clear for a few

1:35.0

days now, that they wanted this to be radical and a big, shocking shift of direction. The payment

1:40.7

systems regulator is the only other one we know about at this stage, which has gone,

1:44.6

but there are plenty more to come.

1:45.9

Every Whitehall Department has been asked to bring a list of regulators and quangos that they don't believe are absolutely essential to the running of the British state into number 10,

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