This is Jacobin Radio, I'm Suzy Weisman, and today we have something completely different

for you.

It's the World Cup, and so I have my two long-term producers, Alan Minsky and Liza Figueroa,

are also the hosts of a podcast that they've done now for four World Cups called The People's

Game.

And if you haven't heard about it, you should because The People's Game is the intersection

of politics, climate, sport, society, rebellion, probably everything else, but with the emphasis

on football.

So you know who they are.

I will be introducing them when we come back and talk to them, you know, for a roundup

on the Cup so far.

And on the second segment today, Alan and Liza will be interviewing David Goldblatt.

He's the author of several pretty extraordinary books on the histories of global soccer, or

football, including The Ball is Round, a global history of soccer, and the recent sequel,

The Age of Football, Soccer, and the 21st Century.

And he has a new article in the London Review of Books that you're going to want to check

out about the guitar world cup, and Liza and Alan are going to be interviewing him about

that article later in the show, all this when our program returns in just a moment.

This is Jacobin Radio, I'm Suzy Weisman, and I'm really happy that we're going to do

this very special event that happens once every four years, and that's the World Cup.

And of course, I'm not going to be the person talking about the World Cup, but I'm going

to be interviewing our longtime producers, Alan Minsky, who is the executive director of

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