Jennifer vanished sometime in the overnight hours.

Right now there is no trace.

Investigators say evidence leave them to believe that she's dead.

Stick my nose back in that trail. That's all I can do.

This is already gone.

First I'd like to apologize for the delay in getting this episode released.

This episode is an interview between myself and Bob Mata.

Bob is host of the Defense Diaries podcast and he's a criminal defense attorney.

He was very interested in the Jane Mixer case and I thought it was worthwhile for the two of us to sit down,

talk about the evidence, the potential for contamination, and our own theories in the case.

The second half of this episode is basically an off the cuff discussion of the Moscow murders.

It's the murder of the college students in Moscow Idaho that happened in late 2022.

And now on with the show.

So, Gary Lighterman, Jane Mixer, John Collins,

it's quite a case that we've been talking about.

Yes, yes it is. You got me in a real rabbit hole.

Thank you Nina for that. I really appreciate that.

Like I needed another rabbit hole, that one.

Right.

That one, it's a wild one. It's a wild one.

And I, you know, I don't think Gary Lighterman was necessarily an angel or a saint.

I don't think he was necessarily a great guy.

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