January 6th Committee Delivers (w/ Hugo Lowell)
Skullduggery
Michael Isikoff, Daniel Klaidman, Victoria Bassetti
4 • 2K Ratings
🗓️ 17 June 2022
⏱️ 50 minutes
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Summary
An excerpt from the video taped testimony of Trump White House lawyer Eric Herschmann revealed this past Thursday described a phone call he got from John Eastman the day after Jan 6th in which the supposed constitutional scholar was unrepentant. Still clinging to the idea somehow some way, the results of the 2020 election could still be overturned. It was a remarkable moment that. was too much for Heerschmann, telling Eastman that he was out of "f'ing mind." And he needed a great criminal defense lawyer because he was going to need it. Words that Eastman, as we learned during Thursday's January 6th hearing, apparently took to heart, reaching out just days later to Rudy Giuliani in search of a presidential pardon. The testimony at the Thursday hearing was powerful as the committee laid out in excruciating detail a relentless pressure campaign by Trump himself, aided every step of the way, by John Eastman to get Vice President Mike Pence to unilaterally reject the certified election results. An authority he demonstrably did not have. In some ways it may have been the most significant presentation yet. Laying out elements that Eastman well knew that what he was doing was potentially illegal and unconstitutional. Has the committee finally made its case that Trump and Eastman had made prosecutable crimes? And what more does the panel have in store? Hugo Lowell of The Guardian, who's been all over the January 6th story from the start, joins to discuss.
GUESTS:
- Hugo Lowell, (@hugolowell), Congressional reporter for @Guardian
HOSTS:
- Michael Isikoff (@Isikoff), Chief Investigative Correspondent, Yahoo News
- Daniel Klaidman (@dklaidman), Editor in Chief, Yahoo News
RESOURCES:
- Key Takeaways from Day 3 of Jan 6th Congressional Hearings - Here.
- The outline of Trump's pressure campaign on Pence - Here.
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| 0:00.0 | And he started to ask me about something dealing with Georgia and preserving something |
| 0:08.2 | potentially for appeal. |
| 0:12.7 | And I said to him, are you out of your, have in mind? |
| 0:19.8 | I said, I only want to hear two words coming out of your mouth for now on. |
| 0:27.6 | I said, I don't want to hear any other fn words coming out of your mouth no matter what, |
| 0:34.4 | other than orderly transition, repeat those words to me. |
| 0:37.8 | And I said, eventually you said orderly transition. |
| 0:41.9 | I said, good job. |
| 0:44.0 | Now I'm going to give you the best free legal advice you're ever getting in your life. |
| 0:49.0 | Get a great fn criminal offense lawyer. |
| 0:51.3 | You're going to need it. |
| 0:53.3 | And then I hung up on him. |
| 0:56.1 | In fact, just a few days later, Dr. Eastman emailed Rudy Giuliani and requested that he |
| 1:03.5 | be included on a list of potential recipients of her presidential pardon. |
| 1:09.7 | That was an excerpt from the videotape testimony of Trump White House lawyer Eric Hirschman, |
| 1:15.0 | describing a phone call he got from John Eastman the day after January 6th, in which the |
| 1:20.6 | supposed constitutional scholar was unrepentant, still clinging to the idea that somehow, |
| 1:26.8 | some way, the results of the 2020 election could still be overturned. |
| 1:31.1 | It was a remarkable moment that was too much for Hirschman, telling Eastman that he was |
| 1:35.7 | out of his fn mind, and he needed a great criminal defense lawyer because he was going |
| 1:40.4 | to need it. |
| 1:41.8 | Words that Eastman, as we learned during Thursday's January 6th hearing, apparently took to |
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