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The Good Fight

Jason Furman on “Liberation Day”

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.6907 Ratings

🗓️ 5 April 2025

⏱️ 71 minutes

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Summary

Yascha Mounk and Jason Furman also discuss the flaws in Build Back Better. Jason Furman is the Aetna Professor of the Practice of Economic Policy jointly at Harvard Kennedy School (HKS) and the Department of Economics at Harvard University. Previously Furman served as Chair of the Council of Economic Advisors under Barack Obama. In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Jason Furman discuss the economic record of the Biden administration, whether the abundance agenda is the way forward—and what the recent news about tariffs really means. Please do listen and spread the word about The Good Fight. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: [email protected]  Website: http://www.persuasion.community Podcast production by Jack Shields, and Leonora Barclay Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk & @joinpersuasion Youtube: Yascha Mounk LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

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0:30.7

Some of the economic explanations for populism puzzle me, because, you know, Billy Joel's lyric,

0:36.9

we're living here in Allentown where

0:38.7

they're shutting all the factories down. That was in 1982. So there would have been good reason

0:43.9

for a populist to have won an election in 1981, or 1988, in some ways, almost a better reason

0:51.9

for them to win in those years than the more recent years,

0:55.4

at least if all you're looking at is job location and rising inequality as your economic source of populism.

1:03.3

And now the Good Fight with Yasha Monk.

1:15.3

My guest today is Jason Furman.

1:22.7

Jason was the chair of the Council of Economic Advisers under Barack Obama and is now a professor at the John of Kennedy School at Harvard University.

1:26.6

Jason and I talked about all the interesting

1:30.3

questions about the economy right now. We did a retrospective assessing the successes and the

1:36.0

failures of Joe Biden's economic policy. Jason has a recent article in foreign affairs

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