Ladies and gentlemen, I would like to introduce someone who I consider one of the smartest people I know and whose understanding of the world is matched only by his ability to synthesize huge themes and illustrate them with precise detail, someone who's traveled the world for 40 years, a man who not only writes about the leaders

the world, but knows them personally, Professor Jeffrey Sachs.

Thanks.

Thank you.

Thank you very much, Jeff.

Thank you.

So how long, you were telling me backstage, I didn't realize this.

For those who enjoyed Prime Minister Orban, I'm one of them.

Tell us when you first met the Prime Minister.

We met 46 years ago.

36 years ago, sorry, 36 years ago, 1989.

He was just getting out of jail at that point.

No, yeah, they were just opening up, and this young guy was starting a political party,

and he gave me a call, and we sat in my backyard in Boston for a few hours,

and I thought, okay, this guy's gonna be prime minister

for most of the next 36 years.

It's very, very impressive then and very impressive now.

So you said that.

You saw in him, and it's not just about him,

but it's about what are the markers of enduring leadership,

what makes this know this politician

impressive while most of them are not impressive what did you see in him what do you see in leaders

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