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Jews, Liberalism, and the American Left, our topic today.

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Thank you. It's a pleasure to be here, Mark.

You go back with a personal moment, way back in 1962.

A plane landing in New York City when you were a little girl immigrating with your parents.

What did America mean to you at that moment?

America meant possibility.

It was a challenge, but a welcome challenge, despite all the concerns we had,

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