And I do feel that we've had a generation of mothers that have kind of been stripped of their authority

where they think, okay, I have to be a friend to my daughter rather than her mother.

And then we grow up and we're like, I don't know what I'm doing.

I never got trained.

And so often these mothers didn't get what they needed so they don't have what they

need to give. A favorite of mine and yours, guarantee, is back on the show today. Lisa Bevere.

Do I even need to give the intro, New York Times bestselling author, speaker, General Fire Breathing

Preacher. And my friend, welcome back to the show, Lisa. Oh, it's so good. You know, you're one of my

favorite people that I've never met. So that is the truest statement ever. And I'm frustrated by that.

You're so busy. Your schedule's crazy, as always, and

mine is two. And so we've attempted. We will continue to attempt. I'm going to take you to dinner at

some point and sit across the table from you. It's going to happen. You made a big move. Like,

you made a big physical move from one part of the country to another. What was that like

for you? Because moving is not easy, especially after you've lived somewhere for a long time.

Yeah, it was traumatic. There was a lot of mornings I would wake up and I would think, I've blown up

my life. Not only if I've blown up my life, I've blown up my family's life. I've blown up my team's life.

I don't know what I've done. And I think for John and I, we said, okay, we can either do this

big move in our early 60s or we can find out we should have done it in our 70s and maybe not

be able to do it. And it was really about adding. We had this beautiful

home and building in Colorado, but it felt like we were always on the outside looking in

at the community that was the believers. When we moved, it's funny. We kind of thought we're going to get

welcome from this group. We actually got welcome from a completely different group of people than we

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