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This is a global player original podcast.

Okay. Global Player Original podcast. Hello and welcome to full disclosure, a podcast project designed entirely to let me spend more time than I'd ever get on the radio with interesting people.

Although, given that today's guest and I work in the same building and cross paths at least

several times a date, we probably could have carved out an hour somewhere else, John Soapel.

Down a pub?

Down a pub, perhaps, yes.

But then other people wouldn't be able to join us through the medium of podcast, which has

been a game changer for you, the medium of podcast.

It's been a liberation, it's been exciting it has been risky and in the sense

that you know you leave a safely coseted pensioned job at the BBC and you know you must have found

this when you start you start from zero when you launch a podcast there are there are no listeners

and so mateless Emily mateless said to me I've got idea. And I was on a plane to Australia at the time.

And I thought, that's a pretty good idea.

Why don't we do it?

Came to Global.

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