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Hi, and welcome to the Longview. I'm Christine Ben's Director of Personal Finance and Retirement Planning

for Morning Star. On the podcast today, we welcome back Jordan Grummet. Jordan's latest book is called

The Purpose Code, How to Unlock Meaning, Maximize Happiness, and Leave a Lasting Legacy.

His previous book was called Taking Stock, A hospice doctor's advice on financial independence,

building wealth, and living a regret-free life. Jordan is a hospice doctor, and he hosts the popular

Earn and Invest podcast. He received his undergraduate degree from the University of Michigan and his

medical degree from Northwestern University. Jordan, welcome back to the Longview.

I am so happy to be back here talking to you again, Christine. Well, we're thrilled to have you here,

and congratulations on the purpose code. I have to say I really enjoyed reading the book.

I want to talk about the genesis of the book. What was the catalyst for you to write a book about purpose?

Believe it or not, it was completely unexpected. So I wrote my first book taking stock, and the main premise of that book is that we should put purpose before our financial framework. We should think about purpose first. And I was out marketing that book, and I would go to conferences and I would give talks about it.

And people would come up to me afterwards.

And instead of them being excited and happy, they were frustrated and angry.

And so the first time this happened, I was very much questioning.

And someone said, look, it's great that you tell me to find my purpose,

but I have no idea how to do that. In fact, I've been looking for my purpose forever and I'm getting

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