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The "What is Money?" Show

Josh Sidman

The "What is Money?" Show

Robert Breedlove

Bitcoin, Breedlove, What Is Money, Investing, Rabbit Hole, Cryptocurrency, Money, Finance, Education, Robert Breedlove, History

4.8710 Ratings

🗓️ 18 April 2025

⏱️ 171 minutes

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Summary

Josh Sidman joins me to debate the nature of private property, the legitimacy of land ownership, and the controversial ideas of economist Silvio Gesell. We clash over whether land ownership undermines freedom, if saving can become parasitic in a monetary system, and whether interest is a tool of coordination or coercion. We dig into the philosophical roots of ownership, the role of money in shaping human action, and whether Bitcoin resolves or reinforces the core tensions in our economic system. Josh Sidman is the founder/director at The Silvio Gesell Foundation, former derivatives trader, professional musician, and small business owner.

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0:00.0

Capitalism as we know it is a flawed implementation of free market principles.

0:07.0

If you go back far enough in time, human history is an absolute bloodbath of people stealing land and stuff from one another time and time again.

0:16.0

At some point, we have to just say a group had rightful ownership to this property and roll it forward.

0:23.6

In 1830, if you are a healthy, capable human being, you have the ability to go beyond the

0:32.7

margin of cultivation to work free available land. That does not describe the world that you and I live in.

0:39.3

If you don't honor the territoriality of the species, you create social disharmony.

0:46.3

Or do you take the three-year-old's toy away? Then they're naturally angry. Why are they angry?

0:50.3

Because they're a territorial species.

0:52.3

This was a town with 4,000 people.

0:55.0

The mayor of this town introduced a complementary currency that depreciated 1% per month.

1:03.0

People had to purchase stamps for 1% of the face value of the bill and stick them on the bill.

1:10.0

I'm sure you have lots of thoughts.

1:12.6

So I break into your house and steal your TV and I go put it on auction.

1:16.6

That doesn't mean I'm participating in a free market process.

1:19.6

That means I stole your TV and you still own it.

1:21.6

We need to get to the fundamentals of money, which of course is your wheelhouse.

1:41.0

We're going to be talking a lot today about the thinking of this economist Silvio Gazelle.

1:47.6

And he has this idea of the natural economic order that rethinks both capitalism and socialism. And to do that, like any good deep nuanced discussion, we're going to have to start

1:54.7

with defining some terms. So I don't know if you want to start with his life story and a little bit of background on him before we go into the definitions.

2:04.8

Would that make the most sense?

2:06.3

Sure.

2:06.9

Yeah.

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