Three, two, one.

The great and powerful Pat Milititch.

I don't know about that, but you are.

Listen, man, it's an honor to have you in here. Thank you. I've I've been watching your show for a long time and

You're a contrarian thinker. I love it and you've you've prompted a lot of people to think differently, right?

Maybe. I think information prompts people to think differently.

Well, when they get pounded with it enough and hear it enough,

eventually it starts to sink in, right?

Yeah, I think so man.

And when you talk about guys who have been around,

like you are one of the real pioneers of MMA,

you know, it's one of the reasons why I really wanted to have you in here.

I remember back when you were fighting. I remember back when you fought Matt Hume and what was that like an extreme battle? Yeah, that was John Peretti's thing. I mean, dude, you've been around. You've been around around you were the early days bare knuckle yeah yeah

no you know and the thing is I always tell people Dan Severn yeah yeah we fought to a draw

who was 270 pounds at the time yeah and he was 270 pounds at the time.

Yeah, and he was still obviously pretty tough back then,

still pretty mobile.

It was not a fun fight, I can tell you, carrying his weight around

for 30 minutes, but it was tough.

But Matt Hume is the guy that made me realize that I

wasn't a fighter yet because I was 15 and oh I think I was ranked fourth in the world I

fought Matt ragdalled him for basically the whole first, threw him around like a ragdaw.

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