Judging Sam: Going Infinite – Jacob Weisberg interviews Michael Lewis

Against the Rules with Michael Lewis

Pushkin Industries

Business, Society & Culture, Sports

4.6 • 9.8K Ratings

🗓️ 2 October 2023

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

For the past year and a half, journalist Michael Lewis has been following crypto entrepreneur and former CEO of FTX Sam Bankman-Fried. The resulting book, "Going Infinite: The Rise and Fall of a New Tycoon", is out October 3. When Michael started his reporting, SBF was heralded as a wunderkind, a genius, a crypto innovator, a major philanthropist and political donor. Now, Sam Bankman-Fried is standing trial on multiple charges, including wire fraud, securities fraud, and misusing billions of dollars of customer funds. If convicted, he could spend the rest of his life behind bars. Michael was there – with unprecedented access – to see it all happen. In this episode, Pushkin's Jacob Weisberg interviews Michael about how he chose Sam as his book subject, what he thought the book was going to be about, and when he sensed things were going to come crashing down for Sam and FTX.

This conversation was recorded on September 13.

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0:00.0	Hey there, it's Michael Lewis.
0:11.0	Before we get to this episode, I want to let you know that you can listen to each episode
0:14.8	of Judging Sam, the trial of Sam Bankman Fried, ad-free by becoming a Pushkin Plus subscriber.
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0:32.5	Gladwell's revisionist history, the happiness lab from Dr. Laurie Santos, and tons of other
0:38.3	top shows from Pushkin.
0:40.4	Sign up in Apple Podcasts or pushkin.fm-slash-plus.
0:46.9	Welcome to the first episode of Judging Sam, the trial of Sam Bankman Fried.
0:52.6	I'm Michael Lewis.
0:54.6	Sam was worth tens of billions of dollars before FTX, his cryptocurrency exchange, came
0:59.9	apart at the seams.
1:02.0	And now he's being tried for financial crimes that could send him to prison for the rest
1:05.6	of his life.
1:07.3	In this special series, we're following the trial that will decide Sam's fate.
1:12.3	We'll have a reporter in the courtroom each day.
1:14.8	We'll have expert interviews.
1:17.0	And I'll be analyzing it all as someone who knows this story as well as anyone knows
1:20.7	this story.
1:22.4	I spent a year and a half following Sam while I was reporting and writing a book about
1:26.0	it.
1:27.0	I was there for the good days, which were astronomically good.
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