Judging Sam: Millennial Frauds
Against the Rules with Michael Lewis
Pushkin Industries
4.6 • 9.8K Ratings
🗓️ 17 November 2023
⏱️ 33 minutes
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Summary
Lidia Jean Kott talks to journalist Elizabeth Lopatto about what it was like to cover the trial, the similarities it shared with Elizabeth Holmes’ trial, and what this all says about millennials, fraud, and the future of the tech industry.
This conversation was recorded on November 13.
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| 0:00.0 | Pushkin. |
| 0:07.0 | Hi, I'm Lydia Jean, co-host of the Judging Sam series on Against the Rules. |
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| 0:50.0 | Welcome to judging Sam. I'm Lydia Jean Cott. |
| 0:55.0 | The trial of Sam McPreed is now over and our coverage is winding down. |
| 1:00.0 | But there are a few things that are still in my mind. |
| 1:03.2 | While I was at reporting, family and friends would often send me articles. |
| 1:07.7 | And a lot of these articles were by one particular writer, Elizabeth Lopato. She's a reporter at The Verge. |
| 1:14.0 | Her stories about Sam McP freed |
| 1:16.0 | were sometimes funny, sometimes empathetic, |
| 1:19.0 | and they were always full of razor-sharp insights. |
| 1:21.0 | I am so excited that she's joining me. |
| 1:24.2 | Liz, thanks for being here. |
| 1:26.2 | Let's get into it. |
| 1:27.6 | It's really nice to talk to you inside at a normal hour instead of at 1 a.m. or 2 a.m. in front of the courthouse. |
| 1:39.6 | No, it's amazing that we're not in the dark. I think that's fantastic. |
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