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This is The New Yorker Radio Hour, a co-production of WNYC Studios and The New Yorker.

Welcome to The New Yorker Radio Hour. I'm Claire Malone. I'm a staff writer and I cover politics and the media business. David Remnick is off this week.

When I talk to a longtime journalist about Donald Trump, I sometimes hear a kind of astonishment about how American politics changed so much so quickly.

You're probably familiar with what I'm talking about.

Even 10 years into Trump's emergence in national politics,

we are shocked that a president could threaten to annex Canada, for example,

or blame DEI for a plane crash.

Trump is not outside the box, to use the old phrase.

He blew up the box.

And it's instinctive for people who have covered politics for a long time to point out how far a field he's gone.

Not to mention, it's also part of our job.

Caitlin Collins was only a couple years out of college when she became White House correspondent for the Daily Caller,

the news and opinion site co-founded by Tucker Carlson.

Professionally, she's pretty much only known the feverish Trump media environment.

Collins went over to CNN during Trump's first term, and she's returned to the White House

for his second term.

Now, Trump, of course, disdains CNN, and he's not a big fan of Caitlin Collins.

Can I ask you a question about...

No, not CNN, please. Go ahead.

The White House has not responded to...

I told you.

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