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Welcome back everybody. I'm such a pleasure to have this person on my pub. Man, she is everywhere you guys. She is the the emperor of all medium. She has to pass. She has to pass. How it's turned out to come for a long, long ago. I think she did that. But it and they're so enjoyable. They're two of my favorites. I'm a care swisher and pivot with that guy away. It's so hilarious. It's such an enjoyable pun. I love listening to you guys. Care swish.

Welcome to black in the air. Thank you. I'm so glad to be here. You want to my favorite people. Let's just compliment each other the whole time. I really truly mean it because I love listening to you. It's such a you don't what you do. And it's been this way for a long time. It's just doesn't it isn't anywhere else. You know, you have such an interesting point of view. And I love how you. You're one of those people I call confidently smart because some people are shy smart. You're like confidently smart. You're like.

I don't know. This is true. I know this for certain. Some people. Yeah. Go ahead. I was talking to my son about that. And he's like, he goes, you know, you're a little too confident. I go, what's a little too confident? Well, you think you're smart. We were discussing this. I was taken to college. That's amazing.

And I go, what's wrong with that precisely? And he thought for a minute. He goes, I guess nothing. I said, why does it bother you? Why don't we think about why that bothers you? He goes, well, can't you say you do something wrong?

I do when I do something wrong, but it's not often. I got to tell you. Well, you know, traditionally, not to get into the sexist argument, but men have always gotten away with that. You know, not, they're not question as much. But I think it's, it's been harder for women to own that without being, you know, without arrows coming at them. Some kind of criticism before.

Well, arrows are fine. I don't mind arrows. I think that's the difference is that when sometimes when people do get like, maybe you should be a little quieter. It's happened throughout my career.

Maybe you should be a little quieter. I had someone, you know, I have people saying that all the time throughout when I was in my 20s. And I was like, why should I? Why should I? I don't know where that came from.

But it's once you push it back, it tends to, you tends to get good at it. And then people don't come at you if that makes sense.

Oh, yeah. I mean, as a black person, like Muhammad Ali was the first one to be cocky and not be, well, he was punished for it. I mean, people hated him in the beginning.

People don't remember that. And he really changed the relationship, not just of how a black person could own confidence in the white world.

But even how athletes can own belief in their ability, that cockiness and own it because before athletes were like, all shucks and all that.

I'll shut up and I'll sit in the back and I'll say, I'll say whatever you want me to say just to get something. And I think one of the things that he did so effectively is he was who he was.

And he didn't buy that. You know, when some, especially the right wing does this a lot, which is, you know, stay in your own lane athlete, stay in your own lane.

Unless I agree with you, right? I was like, why do they have to stay in a lane? They're also a citizen of the United States. They also have thoughts on things.

That's that whole stay in your own lane thing drives me fucking nuts. Like, I'll get in any fucking lane I want. It's my highway. And I shall drive wherever I see what.

And who are you to define my lane? That's right. Exactly. Exactly.

That's another one of the things that I really admire about you. And I partly admire it itself serving because I've kind of lived my life this way.

You have always bet on yourself. Yes.

And it's very admirable. When I look back at your career, the major moves I think in your career had been betting on you. Right?

Not the institution. Not the institution. Because I know I look, I like a lot of the places I've worked, whether it's New York Times, the Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, very fine places.

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