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Zone 7 with Sheryl McCollum

Kidnapping, Murder, or Conspiracy in Oklahoma? | Laura Ingle Part I

Zone 7 with Sheryl McCollum

iHeartPodcasts and CrimeOnline

True Crime

4.4 • 696 Ratings

🗓️ 17 April 2024

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

March 30, 2024, Veronica Butler and her friend Julian Kelly were traveling from Kansas to Oklahoma to pick up Veronica's children for a birthday party when they disappeared. Their abandoned car was found 3 miles from the intended meeting spot, on a desolate dirt road a thousand feet off the main highway.

Guest Bio and Links:

Laura Ingle is an award-winning veteran broadcast journalist specializing in True Crime. She served as a Senior Correspondent with Fox News Channel for nearly 20 years from August 2005-June 2023 based in New York City. Laura has been covering the disappearance of Veronica Butler and Jillian Kelly. She has been on the ground in Oklahoma, providing firsthand updates and analysis.

Listeners can learn more about Laura on X @lauraingle and IG @lauraingletv

In this episode of Zone 7, Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum is joined by Laura Ingle to discuss the harsh possibilities surrounding the disappearance of Veronica Butler and Julian Kelly. With expert boots-on-the-ground insights, Laura unfolds the layers of a potential crime scene, weighs in on the contentious custody battle, and gives theories around the unanswered questions surrounding the case.

Show Notes:

  • [0:00] Welcome back to Zone 7 with Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum  
  • [1:00] Today’s guest is Laura Ingle   
  • [1:30] Laura describes the scene and location Veronica and Julian went missing 
  • [7:00] Suspect pool theories
  • [10:00] Potential weapons used 
  • [12:15] The meeting spot analysis
  • [14:00] Custody visitations and motives 
  • [18:00] The location of where Veronica lives
  • [23:00] The lack of information being released by authorities
  • [30:30] “Narcissists don't co parent. They counter parent. They don't care about the collateral damage done to the children, as long as it hurts you.”
  • Thanks for listening to another episode! If you’re loving the show and want to help grow the show, please head over to Itunes and leave a rating and review! 

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Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an Emmy Award winning CSI, a writer for CrimeOnLine, Forensic and Crime Scene Expert for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, and a CSI for a metro Atlanta Police Department. She is the co-author of the textbook., Cold Case: Pathways to Justice. Sheryl is also the founder and director of the Cold Case Investigative Research Institute, a collaboration between universities and colleges that brings researchers, practitioners, students and the criminal justice community together to advance techniques in solving cold cases and assist families and law enforcement with solvability factors for unsolved homicides, missing persons, and kidnapping cases.  

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Transcript

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0:00.0

March 30th, 20, 24, Veronica Butler, 27 years old, a mother of four, and her friend,

0:19.1

Julian Kelly 39, from Kansas, were traveling together to pick up Veronica's children to go to a birthday party.

0:27.7

They never arrived.

0:30.1

Now, y'all, we have got somebody boots on the ground, literally.

0:35.8

She wasn't there last week.

0:37.6

She wasn't there, you know, two days ago.

0:40.8

She's there right this minute.

0:43.6

Laura Engle.

0:44.3

You can find her at Laura Engel on X and Laura Engel TV on Instagram.

0:53.2

Please follow her. She is doing some live feeds that are a money tree for us to

1:00.0

understand this scene out of Oklahoma, what it looks like, and perhaps what the scene looks like

1:07.4

can tell us who did it. Laura, thank you so much for joining us.

1:12.6

Now I got to ask you, the two women were driving from Kansas to Oklahoma and they just vanished.

1:19.6

And then law enforcement was able to locate the abandoned car off a desolate road three miles from where they were supposed to meet up and get the children.

1:31.8

And you know, Cheryl, when we first heard that, when I first heard, I should say, that the

1:36.4

vehicle that Veronica Butler was driving in, that she was, it was her vehicle, she was the driver

1:43.0

from what we've learned. And I thought it was

1:46.2

going to be on the side of the highway, you know, like you pull over, you have car trouble, maybe you

1:51.3

ran out of gas, maybe you pulled over to check the directions on your phone. But this was Road

1:57.0

L and Highway 95. And I thought it was just at an intersection, but where the vehicle was found

2:01.9

was a thousand feet in on this dirt road. And when we had dropped a pin to the location where we

2:09.8

knew the car was, and as we were driving, I thought, wow, you know, we were going down the road

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