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Hey everybody, welcome to the writing room.

It's Bob Goff here. Kimberly, how are you?

I'm very well. It's a beautiful day. I'm glad to be here.

Excited to talk with our guest.

Yeah, we're really lucky. We have Amanda held O'Bullet. So tell us,

why is it that you wrote this book, Holy Unhappiness? I think that's kind of like this

juxtaposition of ideas. And I know you've have like, as everybody listening has encountered some setbacks, some loss,

some things and some people know of your story. But tell us a little bit about you and the things

that led up to this book. Yeah, it's a bit of a provocative title, I guess. I'm really grateful.

My publisher let me use it. But yeah, I guess. I'm really grateful my publisher let me use it.

But yeah, I think this book was really kind of, it's something I've been working on for about

six or seven years. I know I just published it, but it's been something that's been stirring in me

for a really long time. And honestly, this book, I think, was born a bit out of my

vocational angst. And what I mean by that is that I kind of had gotten this message my whole

life growing up in the church that if I could just find my calling and find God's will for my life,

that I would be happy, that he'd give me the sense of meaning and

purpose in my work. And when I felt like I had finally found my calling, I've just kind of suffered

from the sense of disillusionment because I wasn't happy all the time. In fact, I was struggling.

I found work to be difficult. I found work to be boring sometimes. I found it to be

frustrating. But I didn't feel like I was allowed to have those feelings because I had followed the

script, right? Like I had nurtured a healthy relationship with God. I had a strong, sound theological

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